They had done it, they had done it at last!
     The room they were standing in was long-shaped and  softly
lit. The telescreen was dimmed to a low murmur; the richness of
the  dark-blue  carpet  gave  one the impression of treading on
velvet. At the far end of the room O'Brien  was  sitting  at  a
table  under  a  green-shaded  lamp,  with  a mass of papers on
either side of him. He had not bothered to  look  up  when  the
servant showed Julia and Winston in.
     Winston's  heart  was  thumping  so  hard  that he doubted
whether he would be able to speak. They had done it,  they  had
done it at last, was all he could think. It had been a rash act
to come here at all, and sheer folly to arrive together; though
it was true that they had come by different routes and only met
on  O'Brien's  doorstep.  But  merely to walk into such a place
needed an effort of  the  nerve.  It  was  only  on  very  rare
occasions  that one saw inside the dwelling-places of the Inner
Party, or even penetrated into the quarter of  the  town  where
they  lived.  The  whole atmosphere of the huge block of flats,
the richness and spaciousness  of  everything,  the  unfamiliar
smells of good food and good tobacco, the silent and incredibly
rapid  lifts  sliding  up and down, the white-jacketed servants
hurrying to and fro -- everything was intimidating. Although he
had a good pretext for coming here, he  was  haunted  at  every
step  by  the  fear that a black-uniformed guard would suddenly
appear from round the corner, demand his papers, and order  him
to get out. O'Brien's servant, however, had admitted the two of
them  without demur. He was a small, dark-haired man in a white
jacket, with a diamond-shaped, completely  expressionless  face
which might have been that of a Chinese. The passage down which
he  led  them was softly carpeted, with cream-papered walls and
white  wainscoting,  all  exquisitely  clean.  That   too   was
intimidating.  Winston  could  not remember ever to have seen a
passageway whose walls were not grimy from the contact of human
bodies.
     O'Brien had a slip of paper between his fingers and seemed
to be studying it intently. His heavy face, bent down  so  that
one  could see the line of the nose, looked both formidable and
intelligent.  For  perhaps  twenty  seconds  he   sat   without
stirring.  Then he pulled the speakwrite towards him and rapped
out a message in the hybrid jargon of the Ministries:
     'Items one comma five comma seven approved  fullwise  stop
suggestion  contained  item  six  doubleplus ridiculous verging
crimethink cancel stop unproceed  constructionwise  antegetting
plusfull estimates machinery overheads stop end message.'
     He  rose deliberately from his chair and came towards them
across  the  soundless  carpet.  A  little  of   the   official
atmosphere  seemed  to  have  fallen  away  from  him  with the
Newspeak words, but his expression was grimmer than  usual,  as
though  he were not pleased at being disturbed. The terror that
Winston already felt was suddenly shot through by a  streak  of
ordinary embarrassment. It seemed to him quite possible that he
had  simply  made a stupid mistake. For what evidence had he in
reality that O'Brien was any  kind  of  political  conspirator?
Nothing  but a flash of the eyes and a single equivocal remark:
beyond that, only his  own  secret  imaginings,  founded  on  a
dream.  He could not even fall back on the pretence that he had
come to borrow the dictionary, because  in  that  case  Julia's
presence  was  impossible  to  explain.  As  O'Brien passed the
telescreen a thought seemed to strike him. He  stopped,  turned
aside and pressed a switch on the wall. There was a sharp snap.
The voice had stopped.
     Julia  uttered a tiny sound, a sort of squeak of surprise.
Even in the midst of his panic,  Winston  was  too  much  taken
aback to be able to hold his tongue.
     'You can turn it off!' he said.
     'Yes,'  said  O'Brien,  'we  can turn it off. We have that
privilege.'
     He was opposite them now. His solid form towered over  the
pair  of  them,  and  the  expression  on  his  face  was still
indecipherable. He was waiting, somewhat sternly,  for  Winston
to  speak,  but  about  what? Even now it was quite conceivabIe
that he was simply a busy man wondering irritably  why  he  had
been  interrupted.  Nobody  spoke.  After  the  stopping of the
telescreen the room seemed deadly silent. The  seconds  marched
past,  enormous.  With difficulty Winston continued to keep his
eyes fixed on O'Brien's. Then suddenly the grim face broke down
into what might have been the beginnings of a smile.  With  his
characteristic  gesture O'Brien resettled his spectacles on his
nose.
     'Shall I say it, or will you?' he said.
     'I will say it,' said Winston  promptly.  'That  thing  is
really turned off?'
     'Yes, everything is turned off. We are alone.'
     'We have come here because-'
     He  paused,  realizing for the first time the vagueness of
his own motives. Since he did not in fact  know  what  kind  of
help  he  expected  from O'Brien, it was not easy to say why he
had come here. He went on, conscious that what  he  was  saying
must sound both feeble and pretentious:
     'We  believe  that  there is some kind of conspiracy, some
kind of secret organization working against the Party, and that
you are involved in it. We want to join it and work for it.  We
are  enemies  of  the Party. We disbelieve in the principles of
Ingsoc. We are thought-criminals. We  are  also  adulterers.  I
tell  you  this because we want to put ourselves at your mercy.
If you want us to incriminate ourselves in any  other  way,  we
are ready.'
     He stopped and glanced over his shoulder, with the feeling
that the  door had opened. Sure enough, the little yellow-faced
servant had come in without knocking. Winston saw that  he  was
carrying a tray with a decanter and glasses.
     'Martin  is  one  of us,' said O'Brien impassively. 'Bring
the drinks over here, Martin. Put them on the round table. Have
we enough chairs? Then we may as well  sit  down  and  talk  in
comfort.  Bring a chair for yourself, Martin. This is business.
You can stop being a servant for the next ten minutes.'
     The little man sat down, quite at his ease, and yet  still
with  a  servant-like  air,  the  air  of  a  valet  enjoying a
privilege. Winston regarded him out of the corner of  his  eye.
It struck him that the man's whole life was playing a part, and
that he felt it to be dangerous to drop his assumed personality
even  for  a  moment. O'Brien took the decanter by the neck and
filled up the glasses with a dark- red liquid.  It  aroused  in
Winston  dim memories of something seen long ago on a wall or a
hoarding -- a vast bottle composed  of  electric  lights  which
seemed  to move up and down and pour its contents into a glass.
Seen from the top the stuff looked almost  black,  but  in  the
decanter  it gleamed like a ruby. It had a sour-sweet smell. He
saw Julia pick  up  her  glass  and  sniff  at  it  with  frank
curiosity.
     'It is called wine,' said O'Brien with a faint smile. 'You
will have read about it in books, no doubt. Not much of it gets
to the  Outer  Party, I am afraid.' His face grew solemn again,
and he raised his glass: 'I think it is fitting that we  should
begin  by  drinking  a  health.  To  our  Leader:  To  Emmanuel
Goldstein.'
     Winston took up his glass with a certain  eagerness.  Wine
was  a  thing  he  had  read  and dreamed about. Like the glass
paperweight or  Mr  Charrington's  half-remembered  rhymes,  it
belonged  to  the vanished, romantic past, the olden time as he
liked to call it in his secret thoughts. For some reason he had
always thought of wine as having an intensely sweet taste, like
that of blackberry jam and an  immediate  intoxicating  effect.
Actually,  when he came to swallow it, the stuff was distinctly
disappointing. The truth was that after years  of  gin-drinking
he could barely taste it. He set down the empty glass.
     'Then there is such a person as Goldstein?' he said.
     'Yes, there is such a person, and he is alive. Where, I do
not know.'
     'And the conspiracy -- the organization? Is it real? It is
not simply an invention of the Thought Police?'
     'No,  it  is  real.  The Brotherhood, we call it. You will
never learn much more about the Brotherhood than that it exists
and that you belong to it. I will come back to that presently.'
He looked at his wrist-watch. 'It is unwise even for members of
the Inner Party to turn off the telescreen for more  than  half
an hour. You ought not to have come here together, and you will
have to leave separately. You, comrade' -- he bowed his head to
Julia -- 'will leave first. We have about twenty minutes at our
disposal.  You  will understand that I must start by asking you
certain questions. In general terms, what are you  prepared  to
do?'
     'Anything that we are capable of,' said Winston.
     O'Brien  had  turned himself a little in his chair so that
he was facing Winston. He almost ignored Julia, seeming to take
it for granted that Winston could speak for her. For  a  moment
the  lids  flitted  down  over  his  eyes.  He began asking his
questions in a low, expressionless voice, as though this were a
routine, a sort of catechism, most of whose answers were  known
to him already.
     'You are prepared to give your lives?'
     'Yes.'
     'You are prepared to commit murder?'
     'Yes.'
     'To  commit  acts of sabotage which may cause the death of
hundreds of innocent people?'
     'Yes.'
     'To betray your country to foreign powers?'
     'Yes.'
     'You are prepared to cheat, to  forge,  to  blackmail,  to
corrupt  the  minds  of  children,  to distribute habit-forming
drugs,  to  encourage  prostitution,  to  disseminate  venereal
diseases   --   to   do  anything  which  is  likely  to  cause
demoralization and weaken the power of the Party?'
     'Yes.'
     'If, for example, it would somehow serve our interests  to
throw  sulphuric  acid in a child's face -- are you prepared to
do that?'
     'Yes.'
     'You are prepared to lose your identity and live  out  the
rest of your life as a waiter or a dock-worker?'
     'Yes.'
     'You  are prepared to commit suicide, if and when we order
you to do so?'
     'Yes.'
     'You are prepared, the two of you, to separate  and  never
see one another again?'
     'No!' broke in Julia.
     It  appeared  to Winston that a long time passed before he
answered. For a moment he seemed even to have been deprived  of
the power of speech. His tongue worked soundlessly, forming the
opening  syllables  first  of one word, then of the other, over
and over again. Until he had said it, he  did  not  know  which
word he was going to say. 'No,' he said finally.
     'You  did well to tell me,' said O'Brien. 'It is necessary
for us to know everything.'
     He turned himself toward Julia and added in a  voice  with
somewhat more expression in it:
     'Do  you understand that even if he survives, it may be as
a different person? We  may  be  obliged  to  give  him  a  new
identity.  His face, his movements, the shape of his hands, the
colour of his hair -- even his voice would  be  different.  And
you yourself might have become a different person. Our surgeons
can alter people beyond recognition. Sometimes it is necessary.
Sometimes we even amputate a limb.'
     Winston  could  not help snatching another sidelong glance
at Martin's Mongolian face. There were no scars that  he  could
see.  Julia had turned a shade paler, so that her freckles were
showing, but she faced O'Brien boldly. She  murmured  something
that seemed to be assent.
     'Good. Then that is settled.'
     There  was a silver box of cigarettes on the table. With a
rather  absent-minded  air  O'Brien  pushed  them  towards  the
others,  took  one  himself,  then  stood  up and began to pace
slowly to and fro, as though he could  think  better  standing.
They  were  very  good  cigarettes, very thick and well-packed,
with an unfamiliar silkiness in the paper.  O'Brien  looked  at
his wrist-watch again.
     'You  had better go back to your Pantry, Martin,' he said.
'I shall switch on in a quarter of an hour. Take a good look at
these comrades' faces before you go. You will  be  seeing  them
again. I may not.
     Exactly  as  they  had  done at the front door, the little
man's dark eyes flickered over their faces.  There  was  not  a
trace  of  friendliness  in his manner. He was memorizing their
appearance, but he felt no interest in  them,  or  appeared  to
feel  none.  It  occurred  to Winston that a synthetic face was
perhaps incapable of changing its expression. Without  speaking
or  giving any kind of salutation, Martin went out, closing the
door silently behind him. O'Brien was strolling  up  and  down,
one hand in the pocket of his black overalls, the other holding
his cigarette.
     'You  understand,'  he said, 'that you will be fighting in
the dark. You will always be in  the  dark.  You  will  receive
orders  and  you  will  obey them, without knowing why. Later I
shall send you a book from which you will learn the true nature
of the society we live in, and the strategy by which  we  shall
destroy  it.  When  you  have  read  the book, you will be full
members of the Brotherhood. But between the general  aims  that
we are fighting for and the immedi ate tasks of the moment, you
will  never  know  anything.  I  tell  you that the Brotherhood
exists, but I cannot tell you  whether  it  numbers  a  hundred
members,  or ten million. From your personal knowledge you will
never be able to say that it numbers even as many as  a  dozen.
You  will have three or four contacts, who will be renewed from
time to time as they disappear. As this was your first contact,
it will be preserved. When you receive orders, they  will  come
from  me.  If  we find it necessary to communicate with you, it
will be through Martin. When you are finally caught,  you  will
confess.  That is unavoidable. But you will have very little to
confess, other than your own actions. You will not be  able  to
betray  more than a handful of unimportant people. Probably you
will not even betray me. By that time I may be dead, or I shall
have become a different person, with a different face.'
     He continued to move to and fro over the soft  carpet.  In
spite of the bulkiness of his body there was a remarkable grace
in his movements. It came out even in the gesture with which he
thrust a hand into his pocket, or manipulated a cigarette. More
even  than of strength, he gave an impression of confidence and
of an understanding tinged by irony. However much in earnest he
might be, he had nothing of the single-mindedness that  belongs
to  a  fanatic.  When  he  spoke  of  murder, suicide, venereal
disease, amputated limbs, and altered  faces,  it  was  with  a
faint  air  of  persiflage.  'This  is  unavoidable,' his voice
seemed to say; 'this is what we have got to do,  unflinchingly.
But  this  is  not  what  we  shall be doing when life is worth
living again.' A wave of admiration, almost of worship,  flowed
out  from  Winston  towards  O'Brien.  For  the  moment  he had
forgotten the shadowy figure of Goldstein. When you  looked  at
O'Brien's  powerful  shoulders  and his blunt-featured face, so
ugly and yet so civilized, it was impossible to believe that he
could be defeated. There was no stratagem that he was not equal
to, no danger that he could not foresee. Even Julia  seemed  to
be  impressed.  She  had  let  her  cigarette  go  out  and was
listening intently. O'Brien went on:
     'You will have heard  rumours  of  the  existence  of  the
Brotherhood.  No  doubt you have formed your own picture of it.
You have imagined, probably, a huge underworld of conspirators,
meeting secretly in  cellars,  scribbling  messages  on  walls,
recognizing one another by codewords or by special movements of
the  hand.  Nothing  of  the  kind  exists.  The members of the
Brotherhood have no way of recognizing one another, and  it  is
impossible  for  any  one member to be aware of the identity of
more than a few others. Goldstein himself, if he fell into  the
hands  of  the  Thought  Police, could not give them a complete
list of members, or any information that would lead them  to  a
complete  list.  No such list exists. The Brotherhood cannot be
wiped out because it is not an  organization  in  the  ordinary
sense.  Nothing  holds  it  together  except  an  idea which is
indestructible. You will never have anything  to  sustain  you,
except   the   idea.   You  will  get  no  comradeship  and  no
encouragement. When finally you are caught,  you  will  get  no
help. We never help our members. At most, when it is absolutely
necessary  that someone should be silenced, we are occasionally
able to smuggle a razor blade into a prisoner's cell. You  will
have  to  get  used to living without results and without hope.
You will work for  a  while,  you  will  be  caught,  you  will
confess, and then you will die. Those are the only results that
you will ever see. There is no possibility that any perceptible
change  will  happen  within our own lifetime. We are the dead.
Our only true life is in the future. We shall take part  in  it
as  handfuls  of  dust  and splinters of bone. But how far away
that future may be, there is no knowing. It might be a thousand
years. At present nothing is possible except to extend the area
of sanity little by little. We cannot act collectively. We  can
only   spread   our   knowledge  outwards  from  individual  to
individual, generation after generation. In  the  face  of  the
Thought Police there is no other way.'
     He  halted  and  looked  for  the third time at his wrist-
watch.
     'It is almost time for you to leave, comrade,' he said  to
Julia. 'Wait. The decanter is still half full.'
     He  filled  the  glasses  and  raised his own glass by the
stem.
     'What shall it be this time?' he said, still with the same
faint suggestion of irony. 'To the  confusion  of  the  Thought
Police?  To  the  death  of  Big  Brother?  To humanity? To the
future?'
     'To the past,' said Winston.
     'The past is more important,' agreed O'Brien gravely.
     They emptied their glasses, and a moment later Julia stood
up to go. O'Brien took a small box from the top  of  a  cabinet
and  handed  her a flat white tablet which he told her to place
on her tongue. It  was  important,  he  said,  not  to  go  out
smelling  of  wine: the lift attendants were very observant. As
soon as the door had shut behind her he appeared to forget  her
existence.  He  took  another  pace  or  two  up and down, then
stopped.
     'There are details to be settled,' he said. 'I assume that
you have a hiding-place of some kind?'
     Winston explained about the  room  over  Mr  Charrington's
shop.
     'That  will  do  for  the  moment.  Later  we will arrange
something else  for  you.  It  is  important  to  change  one's
hiding-place  frequently.  Meanwhile I shall send you a copy of
the book' -- even O'Brien, Winston  noticed,  seemed  to
pronounce   the   words   as   though  they  were  in  italics-
'Goldstein's book, you understand, as soon as possible. It  may
be  some  days before I can get hold of one. There are not many
in existence, as you can imagine. The Thought Police hunt  them
down and destroy them almost as fast as we can produce them. It
makes  very  little  difference. The book is indestructible. If
the last copy were gone, we could reproduce it almost word  for
word. Do you carry a brief-case to work with you?' he added.
     'As a rule, yes.'
     'What is it like?'
     'Black, very shabby. With two straps.'
     'Black,  two  straps,  very shabby -- good. One day in the
fairly near future-I cannot give a date -- one of the  messages
among  your  morning's work will contain a misprinted word, and
you will have to ask for a repeat. On  the  following  day  you
will  go  to  work without your brief-case. At some time during
the day, in the street, a man will touch you on the arm and say
"I think you have dropped your brief-case." The  one  he  gives
you will contain a copy of Goldstein's book. You will return it
within fourteen days.'
     They were silent for a moment.
     'There  are  a couple of minutes before you need go,' said
O'Brien. 'We shall meet again -- if we do meet again-'
     Winston looked up at him. 'In the place where there is  no
darkness?' he said hesitantly.
     O'Brien  nodded  without  appearance  of surprise. 'In the
place where there is no darkness,' he said, as  though  he  had
recognized  the  allusion.  'And  in  the  meantime,  is  there
anything that you wish to say before you  leave?  Any  message?
Any question?.'
     Winston  thought.  There  did  not  seem to be any further
question that he wanted to ask: still  less  did  he  feel  any
impulse   to   utter  high-sounding  generalities.  Instead  of
anything directly connected with O'Brien  or  the  Brotherhood,
there  came  into  his  mind a sort of composite picture of the
dark bedroom where his mother had spent her last days, and  the
little   room   over  Mr  Charrington's  shop,  and  the  glass
paperweight, and the steel engraving  in  its  rosewood  frame.
Almost at random he said:
     'Did  you  ever  happen  to  hear an old rhyme that begins
"Oranges and lemons, say the bells of St Clement's"?'
     Again O'Brien nodded. With a sort  of  grave  courtesy  he
completed the stanza:

     'Oranges and lemons, say the bells of St Clement's,
     You owe me three farthings, say the bells of St Martin's,
     When will you pay me? say the bells of Old Bailey
     When I grow rich, say the bells of Shoreditch.'

     'You knew the last line!' said Winston.
     'Yes,  I  knew  the last line. And now, I am afraid, it is
time for you to go. But wait. You had better let  me  give  you
one of these tablets.'
     As  Winston stood up O'Brien held out a hand. His powerful
grip crushed the bones of Winston's palm. At the  door  Winston
looked  back,  but  O'Brien  seemed already to be in process of
putting him out of mind. He was waiting with his  hand  on  the
switch that controlled the telescreen. Beyond him Winston could
see  the  writing-table  with  its  green-  shaded lamp and the
speakwrite and the wire baskets deep- laden  with  papers.  The
incident was closed. Within thirty seconds, it occurred to him,
O'Brien  would be back at his interrupted and important work on
behalf of the Party.

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